In a prestige class that adds a level of previous spellcasting class does that include gaining two new spells if you were a wizard or can only research or find
new spells? The books are not specific about this.
spellcasting prestige classes and new spells in 3.5
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Posts: 1 (01/31/09 07:46:48) |
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Posts: 878 (01/31/09 08:46:27) |
It includes gaining spells known as well as spells per day. While you are correct that (weirdly) this does not explicitly include the two spells learned by a
wizard (since they aren't technically spells known), I have never known anyone to not include those.
Otherwise it puts wizards at a significant disadvantage with prestige classes. So, yes, the rules as intended should grant those two spells. |
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Posts: 868 (01/31/09 11:46:55) |
I believe that was in an Ask Wizards/FAQ/Rules of the Game or something like that. My Core Coliseum is anal like that, and Shado's answer is the one they
settled on.
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ShadoStahker |
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Posts: 879 (01/31/09 15:30:17) |
Also note that there are a couple weird PrCs that grant additional caster level, but not spells known or spells per day. The one where you need to eat
Starmetal is the only one I can think of, though, so they're rare corner cases.
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Tiburon Silverflame |
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Posts: 2333 (02/02/09 09:59:24) |
To amplify Mind's comment: I believe the ruling was that gaining the 2 spells was an inherent part of a wizard's spellcaster level. Shado, most times
they say "+1 caster level" they really mean the full "spellcaster level." The editing wasn't altogether consistent on this, tho. IMO,
the default should almost certainly be to read it as "spellcaster level" UNLESS it explicitly adds "does not gain more spells known/spells per
day" text. Gaining a caster level (but not a spellcaster level) is a major penalty prior to reaching epic levels. On a scale of 0 to 10, IMO:
No spellcasting improvement: 0 (if not, in fact, a major negative) +1 caster level only: 3 +1 spellcaster level: 10 Again, before epic. Sure, +1 caster level means 1 more die, the spell lasts longer with better range, and you beat SR...but it's those extra high-level spells that mean so much more. At spellcaster 7th, you've got 2 fireballs and 1 ice storm. At 9th, you have 3 fireballs, 2 ice storms, and 1 empowered fireball. BIG difference, much larger than the extra 2 dice. |
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ShadoStahker |
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Posts: 883 (02/02/09 10:43:21) |
Oh, I know, Tiburon. But there are a couple around that increase caster level without giving new spells or spell slots. It's rare, though, and like I said
I can only think of one.
I never knew anyone who took that class, though. It was a weird class that focused more on melee... but whatever. |
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Tiburon Silverflame |
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Posts: 2336 (02/02/09 15:31:49) |
That's what "increase caster level" is actually intended to mean, Shado. That's the difference between "spellcaster level" and
"caster level" when they're using it correctly. Recent books probably will (Tome of Magic is recent in this context); it's the older material
where the lack of clarity is more likely to be an issue.
And, it's also true, a class focused on melee doesn't want to give lots of spellcaster levels. |
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